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Post by jigga on Oct 31, 2006 17:04:02 GMT -5
y should all this be even? its not in real baseball. y not make ur team better and let it go up rather then having someone go in and fix it for u
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Post by stevekasy on Oct 31, 2006 20:52:31 GMT -5
and thats life.. I never said Tampa and Boston were equal.. But they aren't in real life either.. in fact in the sim its easier to take a shit franchise and make them popular.. Ala Brewers.. In this case your wrong.. Tampa made the offer to Harden it was only 1 year off what Boston offered. IF HArden would have signed he would not have lost Kazmir or Felix because they have more Arby days then regular season days next year (17s vs. 162) and they also have options so if he got nervous he can send them down for 2 weeks and call them back up and avoid them going to FA.. so thats bunk.. He adds Harden wins again, perhaps it all and all of the sudden his team is more like the Brewers than the Royals.. Sound plan.. That was the basic plan... but then again I most likely still would have hit tremendous financial troubles. |
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Post by ellenalicia on Oct 31, 2006 22:20:48 GMT -5
Which is it... we are trying to make this sim like real life, or i'll run this sim how i choose because its my sim. Seems like whatever side of the fence makes more sense is where it lands... everything i've ever been told in this league was that we werent trying to make this like real life, why even bring that up
As for popularity, again, its totally misunderstood, a franchise that is popular, you keep bringing up Milwaukee so i'll use that as an example, can only afford a 78 million dollar payroll, and that is up from 65 back when he sucked....
SOOOOO popularity doesnt equal money or being able to spend more money.
Like i stated before there are only 5 teams in this league that can afford the payroll the NY Yanks have at this moment and NY is the 3rd highest payroll in this league. People keep saying a crutch to help aid lesser teams... i look at it the other way, how bout the same get out of jail free card that the big market teams have. Its a HUGE risk for smaller market teams to go after big name FA's, its nothing for the bigger market teams, and that whether you want to believe it or not is a HUGE HUGE HUGE advantage
Bottom line is this vote is 8-7, i can guess whose been some of the no votes. NYY, NYM, CWS for sure, others i have my thoughts on but i'll keep those to myself..... and ask yourself why dont these teams want to even the playing field out??? because then they wouldnt be able to give arod a 22 million dollar deal til his 40, or shell out 8 million for a 37 year old closer, or 24 mil for a stop-gap to get through the season, without taking the same risks that other teams in the league have to take
The rev sharing is a joke, it does absolutely nothing but give lesser market teams money to spend on FAs to put them even farther into debt. Having a high fan interest doesnt mean squat either, what it boils down to is how much payroll can your team afford while still making some sort of a profit, and without a cap or something like whats being mentioned in this poll, the playing field will always be tilted toward to bigger markets, because market size doesnt change much in this game
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Post by jigga on Oct 31, 2006 23:07:33 GMT -5
thats a 13 mil improvement from when i started. who knows how much ill make this season with the fan interest i have. you need to make due with what you have. make smart moves. if u cant afford players right now then build from ur farm. hell ive put together playoff teams by picking up mediocre free agents and inseason leftovers. people complain to much. just work with what you got if your a good gm in my opinion.
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Post by stevekasy on Nov 1, 2006 6:27:10 GMT -5
thats a 13 mil improvement from when i started. who knows how much ill make this season with the fan interest i have. you need to make due with what you have. make smart moves. if u cant afford players right now then build from ur farm. hell ive put together playoff teams by picking up mediocre free agents and inseason leftovers. people complain to much. just work with what you got if your a good gm in my opinion. That's all well and good... I have completely revamped my team from the start and have won about the same amount of games as you over the past two years, including my trip to the WS... However my market sucks. Period. Certain teams just have an inherent advantage. The Yankees, Mets, Red Sox, Cubs, White Sox, Dodgers, Angels (and even the Nats) etc. who play in HUGE markets. The market size has almost zero relation to what the teams have done in our sim. There is also a fan loyalty rating which was preset. The size/loyalty issues were inherent benefits of owning certain teams. There has only been one league I was ever in that handled this well while keeping the inherent flaws.... they treated it like real baseball to an extent. Basically what the owner of the league did was give us a set amount of "Cash" to start out with and then we did an auction, you could use your money to bid on franchises and then whatever you had left went on to be used for bids on players. One guy put almost all his money on the Angels, another on the Cubs, another on the Red Sox. Similar situations where very very high bids took the other big markets. I slipped into a medium size market, and was able to outbid the bigger markets for a couple of players I wanted in the auction. Basically when we started our fantasy disbursal draft, I was already holding Scott Kazmir, Jose Reyes, David Wright, Lastings Milledge and a couple of non-Mets who need not be mentioned. The guys who literally bid $1 for say the D-Rays had off the top of my head, Pujols, Willis, Cabrerra, and atleast one other big name (and relatively cheap guy). What this system did was 1) stay true to the fact that NYC is a huge market, and 2) put all owners on equal footing at the beginning. Krem, Tone, the Mets GM, & Goldy (aka the Big Market Krew) did not do anything special to "earn" the team's market size and "loyalty" ratings. None of this can be done now, but is meant as an illustrative example... Just to reiterate Krem, Tone, the Mets GM, & Goldy (aka the Big Market Krew) did not do anything special to "earn" the team's market size and "loyalty" ratings. Those are inherent in the game. (Note: I realize Goldy is one of the Small Market Supporters...) |
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Post by stevekasy on Nov 1, 2006 6:33:24 GMT -5
In a "Down Year Financially" for the Yankees they had:
Merchandising Revenue: $69,214,264
Broadcasting Revenue: $55,000,000
vs.
Tampa Bay's Total Revenue: $54,160,128
OR
The Yankee's (who I bear in the playoffs) Playoff Revenue: $5,359,063
vs.
Tampa Bay's Playoff Revenue: $3,639,594
OR My Favorite #s
Tampa Bay's Profit from last year: $3,010,400
(On a Payroll of $51,149,728)
This years Payroll: $68,929,286
(Due almost entirely to Arbitration)
= Impending Financial Struggles
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Post by Kremzeek on Nov 1, 2006 9:39:45 GMT -5
But Steven this was not a surprise.. when you joined the league you took the D'Rays you could easily look at the financial at that point.. I did not choose the Yankees because they had money in fact I was looking at all old aging players with shit contracts, but I choose them because they are my favorite team and its my league.. so why not hav My favorite? Since then I have done nothing but money money AWAY from the Yankees since we started the league. I have even avoided most big deals and got my payroll way low on purpose to avoid the complaints.. The one time I spend on a player I get burned.. no one blinks on Kearns though..
Anyways, I am not going to change the entire structure of the league 5 seasons in, and even if I did it would take seasons before it was in place.. Its hard to please everyone and I do my best..
You already have a plan all set to move your team out of Tampa.. Relocation is an option for all teams.. its not an easy process but its an option. I don't want an NFL Baseball league.. Not everything is realistic here, but the main theme is a baseball league and the markets are NOT the same in baseball..
Furthermore, I think this type of FA bidding will lead to some changes though as a few GMs and I have discussed that potential for financial disaster down the road. GM's get hell bent on out bidding each other and give out huge deals.. You can all point at my Konerko deal but keep in mind its a one year deal I am not stuck with it will be gone soon.. a guy like Halsey or Nomar are not worth these deals.. I've seen this in other leagues and eventually GM's realize and refuse to make these types of offers..
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Post by SeattleDude on Nov 1, 2006 10:25:27 GMT -5
I could be wrong.... but Nomar is signed to a $21M deal... Konerko got $24M...
Besides Nomar will likely retire long before he collects all $21M.
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Post by ellenalicia on Nov 1, 2006 10:41:06 GMT -5
this sort of FA bidding will never stop, because that is the ONLY way a smaller market team can get better, because as we all have seen, the bigger market teams will just go outbid whoever, by whatever means necessary, to get the player they want
what this rev sharing as done, is give people credit cards to go out and buy whatever they want with even though most wont have any way to pay the bills.
I mean I do my best to keep my offers and such reasonable, but its IMPOSSIBLE, because of the fact that there are 4-5 franchises that will go bid high no matter the cost, thus making the rest of us pay waaay above market value just to lock a guy up. And i personally dont see this surrade stopping in FAs, i mean every year since i joined the best FA no matter who he is/was got a HUGE contract that in my opinion wasnt near worth it.... why will it stop now when no matter how much money a team loses they'll get reimbursed through the rev sharing to go out spend more again and go bust again... its a never ending cycle
the 3 year ext rule, will only put more solid-star type players into the FA pool, waiting for the next big market shark to unload another huge contract to lock him down
Ex... Harden, ARod, Reyes last season, the list goes on
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Post by Kremzeek on Nov 1, 2006 12:57:09 GMT -5
I'll comment more later but A-rod is what a 4 time MVP? Harden the best pitcher the FA market has ever seen.. of course they are going to get insane offers..
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Post by goldfinger77 on Nov 1, 2006 13:12:28 GMT -5
$90 million salary cap. Then it won't matter how much revenue people are bringing in.
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Post by goirish on Nov 1, 2006 13:22:19 GMT -5
$90 million salary cap. Then it won't matter how much revenue people are bringing in. You also need to get rid of the 3-year rule............................................. It sucks. |
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Post by Kremzeek on Nov 1, 2006 17:29:40 GMT -5
$90 million salary cap. Then it won't matter how much revenue people are bringing in. currently that would only effect Texas and Boston.. |
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Post by goldfinger77 on Nov 1, 2006 17:48:31 GMT -5
If we instituted a $90 million cap, I would agree that the 3-year rule should be rescinded.
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Post by goldfinger77 on Nov 1, 2006 17:49:36 GMT -5
However, I also think we need /some/ sort of limitation of re-signing free agents, so I'd suggest that teams get three chances to re-sign someone. After that, if the player won't sign, he becomes a free agent (unless the team trades him to another team, which would get three more cracks at it.)
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